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Kallisti and H_P forget to pay the server bills?

I know they kind of washed their hands of it, but they left the lights on at least... Seems no more.

 

Sad...

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I was never a participant there but would occasionally use the great volume of information. I sure hope it's not gone for good. I've thought about the same thing with this place before. It's the risk with any private venture.

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It was down for over four months recently, and I was sure it was defunct, but then it reappeared for awhile, and now it's down again.

 

Oh, well, I imagine David has bigger fish to fry.

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Kallisti and Head sold FV to David outright, AFAIK. I haven't been there in years. I imagine that David probably got fed up with maintaining the circus. I can relate; It's a thankless job.

 

Come to actually think of it, I'm not sure I ever once thanked you for WS.

 

Thank you.

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i never posted here back in the heyday but i lurked from time to time and learned a little. the review section was especially helpful and because of that i never bought a fake absinthe. the reviews, the info section, and the forum were by far the best absinthe resource online. it'd be nice if the reviews could return but without participation i think it would eventually become obsolete. it's a shame. sites like this i think are necessary for us to get to a point where the misinfo about tripping out on absinthe finally mostly goes away. there's a lot of that crap still out there. but you did what you could or whatever, so thanks for that and thanks to you (everyone) i never had to taste any mouthwash.

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Kinda' like Gwydion saying "maintaining the circus" is a thankless job, reviewing is, as well, and is one of the reasons I stopped doing it a few years back. However recently I did revisit one review, but then was unable to get in to insert my edited text.

 

The other reasons I stopped doing it were time (in my case, probably about 2 to 3 hours per review), and money. I know the arguments against asking producers for product, but I always wished we had a system of getting and splitting up two sample bottles and getting them out to six or eight trusted reviewers on a rotating basis. In every other area of beverage it is common for producers to spread review samples around. I used to be happy to be of help with this when I was getting to know absinthe, but at some point it begins to become a real pain to be spending money to help producers sell their stuff. Just wrap your head around Brian's reviews. Do the arithmetic on 150 -160 absinthes at an average of probably $75 a bottle.

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yeah it's obviously a lot of work and i only started contributing to the reviews myself about a year ago so i'm guilty of sitting on the sidelines myself. it'd be great if we could have at least one nice website where people could float in (not just experts but even lots of less than expert imbibers) and leave their thoughts on this or that brand, similar to the plethora of such sites with rum/whiskey/gin/etc. but absinthe is far less popular. also not to be mean in any way, but the review section here is very outdated compared to a lot of those spirit review sites out there which are more attractive and easier to use. probably some of those sites have brands of absinthe up for review along with the whiskey/rum etc, i would imagine? but i doubt any are ever going to be as definitive of a resource as this place was. but eh, i guess i'm just rambling and this isn't going anywhere so i'll just end.

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I think the thing that makes this site superior to not only other spirit review sites, but consumer review sites of just about any commodity, is the very clear and well defined tutorial on the front site. If one reads through it diligently, a review of high quality should be possible. Most review sites have no guidelines or standards whatsoever. They just turn the reviewer loose with a points system and they're on their own. Here, if done properly, the review is against a well defined standard of character and correctness.

 

So the idea of people just floating in here to leave their thoughts, without doing their homework, scares me a little (and I realize that's not what you're suggesting). There's plenty of other places for that kind of review. Here, and at FV, have always been considered the gold standard review opinion (in English language) on absinthe exactly because we imposed standards.

 

I've gotten to the point where I pay almost no attention to most general consumer reviews. The trouble is, since the advent of Yelp, Amazon, and all the other 5-star systems, coupled with the requisite qualifications of respiration and pulse, the world has been turned into a 1 or 5 shouting match.

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...the review section here is very outdated compared to a lot of those spirit review sites out there which are more attractive and easier to use.

Can you give a couple examples of what that would look like? Links would be good. I'd just like to see what that format would be.

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i'm not trying to rudely make unfair comparisons here. i'm fully aware that running a site like this can be thankless, as well as the review section, and it's been in place for over 10yrs now. if it's not worth the trouble then i get why it's kind of being let go (seems like). so i'm not really sure why i should go into this, but when i say format i'm mainly talking about the fact that the review section here is maybe a little outdated/clunky and feels like an add on section to a 10+yr old forum. which is exactly what it is. but again, i'm thankful it's been around as long as it has and wish it would come back even as it was.

 

but here's one random example. actually it's not random, it's the first thing that comes up if you type 'rum reviews' into google (for me anyway).

 

https://www.rumratings.com/brands

 

so when i'm comparing format i'm saying, first off, and again this is imo, it looks about 10x nicer. but it's using a more modern, probably a wordpress theme or whatever. WS is over 10yrs old, and looks it. rumratings is about 5yrs old, and looks it. the review section here really feels like an add on to a forum/info site. rumratings looks like a nice modern website dedicated solely to allowing anyone to review rum.

 

but maybe you're right and making it easier for just anyone to come in and say something about a brand wouldn't be good for absinthe. for me, if i'm looking to try a new rum, i go to a site like that and i want to see what run of the mill rum drinkers think. but there's a lot more of them posting (300 plus for diplomatico reserva). i feel like if i go there and something gets an 8, it's probably good (maybe i still won't like it personally)- and not because experts told me so. probably (almost surely) we're not quite to the point or even close where that would work with absinthe yet, if we ever will be. most people still seem to think the real absinthe is a hallucinogen.

 

and again i want to stress i'm not trying to disparage this site. but i even had trouble getting the account set up so i could leave any reviews. it felt clunky, and imo doesn't look as nice and i even thought it was kind of a nuisance that i couldn't just use my forum user/pass to post reviews there. but none of that really matters now...

 

basically i wish there were a site like rumratings.com for absinthe but absinthe would actually have to be popular for it to work out. but i would actually be perfectly happy just seeing the review section here go back up, also.

Edited by MisterX

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Well thanx for the link. I'm going to look at it over the next few days and see what I think. It's not like I have any power here, but I think some rejuvenation wouldn't hurt.

 

I, personally, don't take your comments to be rude or disparaging. You sound like you care about this drink and just want a resource that offers some reliable guidance.

 

I will say, however, that "just allowing anyone to come in and say something" probably is only just a little more safe with rum than with absinthe, and only because there are so many more people with a reasonably well formed idea of what proper rum is. The trouble with absinthe is, that with no baseline from which to start, so many consumer's expectations and opinions are easily manipulated. You throw up a review site with no guidance and I'm betting you have another absinthe site full of dreck and nonsense before you know it. And it will only be because the users don't know any better, or have a dialog or agenda they prefer to stick with.

 

And I gotta' tell you, the points you touched on regarding the status of general absinthe knowledge out there is a real concern. Lately, I've been poking around the Internet to see what the substance and tone of articles about absinthe, written in the last three or so years, is like. I just got done doing that again for a couple hours. In my opinion, it's not much better than it was ten years ago. Many times, even when the article purports to be setting matters straight, or dispelling myths, they still backhandedly inject all the sensational misinformation in such a way that it is obviously the hook for a certain reader. One I just read, clearly stated that fire has no place in proper preparation, but the lead graphic is of a glass of absinthe with a burning spoon of sugar on top.

 

To bring this back to topic, it pains me to think we may have lost one of the best sources of accurate absinthe information that has ever been out there.

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On 9/22/2018 at 11:48 PM, Conju said:

 

Come to actually think of it, I'm not sure I ever once thanked you for WS.

 

Thank you.

 

On 9/23/2018 at 7:15 AM, Absomphe said:

What they said.

Holy shit! Conju is alive? (And 43?)

 

and...

 

Holy shit! Absomphe has 20,000+ posts?

 

Actually, wait-a-minute... that last one doesn't surprise me.

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Holy shit! Absomphe has 20,000+ posts?

So, since nothing shows up on 'unread content, I have to assume I have read every one of them....and if i spent an average of 20 seconds per post...then double that for FV posts...

That means that I have spent more than a week of my life reading....ABSOMPHE posts.:blowup::tongue::harhar:

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I'd want to see an intricate piechart breaking down the content of his posts. Also statistical analysis. Someone get on that! :twitchsmile:

Edited by Cajun Magic

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On 1/27/2019 at 7:58 PM, Cajun Magic said:

I'd want to see an intricate piechart breaking down the content of his posts.

No, you wouldn't. The human mind wasn't meant to comprehend such eldritch horrors.
 

On 9/27/2018 at 10:06 PM, MisterX said:

WS is over 10yrs old, and looks it.

Actually, it used to look a lot nicer, but a PHP upgrade forced me to pick a template that would work with the new system. The current one was expected to be temporary, maybe a couple of weeks at most, but it's been like 3 or 4 years. 

On 9/27/2018 at 10:06 PM, MisterX said:

the review section here really feels like an add on to a forum/info site

It is.  It's the most visited part, but still an add-on.  I've toyed with the idea of making it the front-and-center focus, but then folks would ignore the important history and science info even more.  As Michael pointed out, we still have a lot of educating to do.

On 9/27/2018 at 10:06 PM, MisterX said:

and again i want to stress i'm not trying to disparage this site.

None taken.  I'm painfully aware of the state of the place.

The reasons for delay and decay are several:

• Facebook has distracted people to the point where forums such as this are nearly obsolete.  We used to get hundreds of new posts a week and a steady stream of new registrations. When we were founded and made our mission and tone clearly distinct from the other absinthe venues online, we grew at an impressive rate, surpassing the others in content and activity fairly quickly.

• Since I'm no longer distilling, I've been obliged to find other means of livelihood, and am living more-or-less at subsistence level.  Usually less. That and health concerns leave me little time and motivation to devote to what has always been a labor of love, but what I'd hope would be a career.

• I've always taken care of building the site and writing most of the material on the front end.  If there's not a by-line, I wrote it. As years went by and the interwebs evolved, my tech skills fell behind. Keeping things looking fresh isn't as easy as it once was. The world of absinthe has changed in some ways as well, so there's a lot on the site that needs to be either updated or re-written entirely.

And this is an old discussion so you probably already know, but the reviews are back. :cheers:

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On 2/6/2019 at 5:26 PM, Gwydion Stone said:
On 1/27/2019 at 7:58 PM, Cajun Magic said:

I'd want to see an intricate piechart breaking down the content of his posts.

No, you wouldn't. The human mind wasn't meant to comprehend such eldritch horrors.

Bingo!

Eldritch just happens to be one of my favorite Bellingham avenues, which I'm sure won't surprise you.

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