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#1 Absinthejester

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:27 PM

I have a friend who has a bottle of Pernod S.A. Tarragona that their family has had since her great grandmother and was wondering if anyone can help me date it.

 

Attached is a pic and you'll notice it looks very similar to bottles from 1930-1936 BUT DOESN'T have the Jose M. Banus at the bottom and the Swiss Cross is straight sided not curved. Thanks.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:08 PM

:dribble:


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:13 PM

I know the feeling Derrick. I just hope she gives it to me or lets me sample it. Let's hope it's still good.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:40 PM

I'm not seeing the Pernod Fils seal on the shoulder of the bottle.  Can you show us the top?


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:50 PM

Not an expert, but looking at pics, looks like the 1912-1930 :euro:

http://www.vertdabsi...=2&lang=english



#6 Absinthejester

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:10 AM

I don't have the bottle in my possession but I'll be able to get a look at it tomorrow. Hopefully the seal is there.



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:42 AM

I might be wrong, but to my knowledge the pre 1920 bottlings did not have a neck seal.



#8 Absinthejester

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:50 AM

Oops I read seal as in foil capsule, but did realize and forgot to mention yeah no seal impression on the neck, but will look later today.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:05 PM

OK got a look at the bottle today, pretty awesome. Here's some pics. Can't tell if it's been opened, but by the amount missing it's probably just evaporation over the past 100 years. The bottle itself is pretty uneven and doesn't sit level. The bottom is pretty deep. No rear label. No seal impression on the neck. Let me know what you guys/gals think.

 

Apparently I can't upload more than one pic.

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#10 Absinthejester

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:03 AM

marc @ oxygenee.com is not sure either, but thinks it might be an early bottle around 1910 when they first got going.



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:25 AM

No more ideas on the year? Can anyone help with the value? It looks as if it's not been opened by the cork in the last picture.



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:50 AM

Pernod didn't fully move to Tarragona until after the ban, so it wouldn't be from before 1910.  Edouard Pernod opened the Tarragona distillery in 1910.  My guess would be 10s-20s.

 

Are they looking to sell?  I didn't see anything in the first post about wanting prices.


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#13 Absinthejester

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 12:04 PM

Sorry it's not for sale, I was just curious.



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:22 PM

I might be wrong, but to my knowledge the pre 1920 bottlings did not have a neck seal.

 

I'm unaware of any Pernod bottles without the seal on the shoulder.  Certainly the classic bottle from the turn of the century had it.  The neck looks right except that there are no traces of the wax that we know Pernod always used.

 

I'm not an antiques expert either, but my thought is that someone put a Tarragona label, possibly a fake one, on a different bottle.  Which is not to say it's not an interesting find, but that it would be unfortunate if someone devalued a genuine collectible by tampering with it.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 07:00 PM

Obviously fakes have been around since the beginning of time. But this is from my BFF and she said it's been in her family from her great grandmother. So....

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:02 AM

Here's one:

 

http://www.museeabsi...om/vintage.html

Allthough it does say "Envase provisional". Maybe the first ones were filled in ordinary bottles?

I don't know. But I've seen more than one example of these without neckseals. 

 

 

I've also seen a empty bottle of Pernod SA Couvet for sale at Finest and Rarest a year or two ago. They estimated it at 1920's.

The different look of the cross on the label I don't know much about, but here's an old thread about it:

 

http://www.museeabsi....php?t1107.html

 

(I'm more or less constantly looking for this particular brand:P)



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:03 AM

-But again, the easiest would be to taste it:)



#18 Absinthejester

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:02 AM

Great finds Mork, thanks.




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