Pipe Smokers' Corner
Posted 04 January 2006 - 05:04 PM
Typically, I would go to a more widely recognized source for pipe discussion like a pipe smokers' forum but I thought there might be enough of us (pipe smokers) here to chat about it some.
Anyway, Hiram would you tell me again about the Oriental/Turkish tobacco vs the cavendish/aromatic. I would like to try something like what I smelled at your place (tobacco that is).
Posted 05 January 2006 - 09:47 AM
Tried an Avanti last night. Too sweet for me. I wasn't into the whole 'Backwoods' look either
Posted 05 January 2006 - 11:00 AM
They will also sell the straight, unblended tobaccos, so you can adjust a blend to your liking. That's why I have the Latakia and Perique. I also used to keep the Djubek and Yenidje on hand for the same purpose, but as I mentioned while you were here, good Yenidje and Djubek are really hard to find and anything available (in the US) pales in comparison to the Turkish tobaccos of 30 years ago.
What you're after is an "Oriental" or English blend. They tend toward the smoky, savory side rather than the sweet aromatic side, like Cavendish based blends. Aromatics will be the ones that smell like chocolate, vanilla, fruits and so on.
I started smoking a pipe when I was 16, picking it up from my father. I still have a couple of my pipes from then, including a 1976 Bicentennial. I've smoked them on and off all my life, but just three years ago discovered premium cigars (after the 90's boom). I'll probably move back to pipes again someday.
Posted 05 January 2006 - 12:14 PM
I am really drawn to the experience of pipe smoking, the ritual of it. Selecting a pipe from my collection (a long stemmed churchwarden, a deeply curved Savenelli, a free form Boswell, etc...), selecting tobacco, filling the pipe (not too tight not too loose), lighting, watching the the first curls of aromatic smoke rise from the warm orange glow of the ember.
Pipes are great smoked alone but they are even better smoked with a friend. Pipe smoking adds a great deal to conversation. Keeping a pipe lit requires attention, time spent not talking. In a culture where we so often talk more than we listen and spend our only quite time waiting to interrupt whoever is talking, smoking a pipe during conversation requires you to be quiet and draw on the pipe. One has to plan ones comments and spend time listening. There is a rhythm to it that is healthy.
Posted 05 January 2006 - 04:31 PM
over the years picked up a small collection of pipes.
Though when I was on the road a lot doing shows they had a tendency to get broke so I started hand rolling my pipe tobacco. Use to smoke a blend called Norse Gold from the Tinderbox.
Still have some of my pipes, a couple of mearsham lined briars, a carved one, and a wood and porcelain tyrolian pipe. They sit on my mantle in my pipe rack with my humidor.
I start to feel like I am in an existentialist play written by a person with multiple personality disorder...
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -- Philip K. Dick
"I'm living so far beyond my income that we may almost be said to be living apart." -- ee cummings
Posted 05 January 2006 - 06:20 PM
I've always wanted to try a pipe but I've never really known what to start with.
Posted 05 January 2006 - 06:32 PM
I can't stand the smell.
Posted 05 January 2006 - 07:49 PM
My high school boyfriend smoked a pipe a lot. He has a really nice meerschaum and a Calabash. Looked good on him, being a tall, lanky, Norwegian. I enjoyed the aroma and we used to frequent the Tinderbox at Southcenter.
My ex smoked cigars in the last few years we were together...I couldn't stand them.
War is not the answer, for only love can conquer hate.
Posted 05 January 2006 - 08:27 PM
Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:01 AM
I have heard it said that cigarette smoking is like watching TV, cigar smoking like going to the movies, and pipe smoking like reading a book. I can see it. All of them have their own place but require different levels of effort/investment, have different payoffs, and different levels of sophistication.
Your last paragraph covers how I feel about cigars.
Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:08 AM
Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:42 AM
Pipes - you do not have to spend a mint on a pipe especially your first one. Most of the time the super high cost comes from name/artist/designer and collectability. The problem with a $10 to $30 drugstore pipe is that it will probably smoke very hot (the pipe itself will heat up considerably and the tobacco will smoke too hot). The average decent pipe is about $50 look for a good name like Savinelli (I have a model 614 Roma that I love). Shape is mostly to taste (art not tongue) but depends a bit on what you want to do with it. A very straight stem will backwash on you if you are looking up at a bookshelf or something. A heavy pipe requires a free hand to hold it. A flat bottomed pipe will sit upright on a table on its own etc...
Tobacco - Again to taste. I recommend going to a tobacconist and finding something that smells good to you. In my experience they usually smell similar when smoked to what they smell like in the jar. They do not taste like they smell however so ask the tobacconist for mild or sharp recommendations.
Three-in-one tools are cheap (50cents) and helpful. They have a tamper, an airater, and a scoop for cleaning out the ash and unsmoked "dwaddle."
Filling/loading - fill the pipe with tobacco packing it evenly from bottom to top. It should be tight enough to offer moderate resistance to airflow when you pull(drag) on the pipe. Not to tight, it should not be a strain. If you fill it too tightly, use the tool to open an airway.
Lighting - using a match, hold the flame just over the filled pipe and draw the flame into the tobacco by pulling slowly (most people do not inhale pipe smoke. I certainly recommend not doing so for health reasons). You are trying to form an ember on top of the tobacco (more than one match may be required). Once a good ember is formed try not to re light, the tobacco gets more and more bitter with each re light.
The trick to keeping a pipe lit is in keeping the ember on the yet to be smoked tobacco in your pipe. The pipe tends to form a layer of insulating ash between the ember and the rest of the tobacco so every once and a while, use the tamper to push the ember down on the unsmoked tobacco.
*A new pipe needs to be seasoned. When it its smoked, a layer of gunk builds up on the inside of the bowl. You want this stuff, do not scrape it off. Start a new pipe off by only filling it halfway, smoke it, fill it a bit higher, smoke, etc... until a nice layer is built up.
Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:55 AM
Posted 06 January 2006 - 10:28 AM
There is a Turkish technique for filling a pipe: "The first pinch should be packed lightly, as by a child’s hand. The second pinch, more firmly, as by a woman’s hand. The third pinch should be packed the firmest, as by a man’s hand." But don't over-do it. Packing too tightly will make it hard to keep lit, as there are no air pockets in the tobacco.
On cigarettes, I went on about the old Turkish cigarettes when Shai was here, but I can't stress enough: cigarettes are not what they used to be. Cigarettes used to have flavor and smell good 30, 35 years ago. American tobacco sucks! I have had cigarettes that were every bit as flavorful and enjoyable as a good cigar or pipe. It's all in the tobacco. American cigarette tobacco companies are Satan.
Posted 06 January 2006 - 10:32 AM
One of those " the cure is worse than the disease".
Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:49 AM
I know I don't sound much like the tobacco advocate that I am, but these are the 599 approved additives of American tobacco:
Acetic Acid <-- vinegar
Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
Almond Bitter Oil
Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
Anise Star, Extract and Oils
Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
Balsam Peru and Oil
Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
Beet Juice Concentrate
Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
Black Currant Buds Absolute
Buchu Leaf Oil
Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
Butyl Butyryl Lactate
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
Carob Bean and Extract
Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
Cassia Bark Oil
Cassie Absolute and Oil
Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
Cedar Leaf Oil
Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
Cognac White and Green Oil
Coriander Extract and Oil
Costus Root Oil
Dandelion Root Solid Extract
Dill Seed Oil and Extract
alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
Fennel Sweet Oil
Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
Fig Juice Concentrate
Food Starch Modified
Gentian Root Extract
Geranium Rose Oil
Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
Grape Juice Concentrate
Guaiac Wood Oil
Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone
4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
Immortelle Absolute and Extract
Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate
Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
Kola Nut Extract
Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
Lemon Oil and Extract
Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder
Lovage Oil And Extract
Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
Malt and Malt Extract
Maple Syrup and Concentrate
Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
Methyl Linoleate (48%)
Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
(Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)
Mimosa Absolute and Extract
Molasses Extract and Tincture
Mountain Maple Solid Extract
beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
Neroli Bigarde Oil
Nutmeg Powder and Oil
Oak Chips Extract and Oil
Oak Moss Absolute
9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
Opoponax Oil And Gum
Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
Orange Oil and Extract
Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract
Parsley Seed Oil
Pepper Oil, Black And White
Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
Pimenta Leaf Oil
Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
Pineapple Juice Concentrate
Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
Prune Juice and Concentrate
Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
Raisin Juice Concentrate
Rose Absolute and Oil
Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin
Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
Tea Leaf and Absolute
2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
Thyme Oil, White and Red
Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
Violet Leaf Absolute
Walnut Hull Extract
Wheat Extract And Flour
Wild Cherry Bark Extract
Wine and Wine Sherry
Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:58 AM
Although the fenchone and the anethol could be nice.
Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:20 PM
Without comment, here is a story from The Los Angeles Times
Flavorings, fragrances and chemicals specifically added to speed the nicotine absorption into the bloodstream. They're just nicotine delivery devices.
Philip Morris in Inhaler Deal
A biotech firm plans to use technology invented by the cigarette maker to treat infants and adults with breathing impairments.
Top cigarette maker Philip Morris is venturing into pharmaceuticals, joining with a biotechnology firm to develop therapies for respiratory problems of premature infants and adults, the companies said Monday.
The licensing deal allows Discovery Laboratories Inc., of Warrenton, Pa., to use inhaler technology invented by Philip Morris to deliver treatments for breathing-impaired newborns and people with asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
The deal is a breakthrough for Chrysalis Technologies, a Philip Morris division that has sought to commercialize an invention first conceived as a smoke-free nicotine delivery device.
Discovery plans to use it to deliver respiratory therapies without the discomfort and injury that can be caused by breathing tubes.
"We're pleased that this alliance offers us the opportunity to develop our aerosol generation technology with a new class of pulmonary medicine products," said Jennifer Golisch of Philip Morris USA, a unit of Altria Group Inc.
Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:27 PM
Posted 06 January 2006 - 02:15 PM
Posted 06 January 2006 - 02:21 PM
There you have it. They've missed the whole point of smoking.
I guess some people don't care about flavor, they only
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