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#631 Gwydion Stone

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 08:18 AM

I have yet to see any non-anecdotal evidence that absinthe originated in VdT.  On the other hand, I've seen many recipes for it in English-language distilling and apothecary treatises since long before the 1790s, that made no mention of France or Switzerland.  The anise-fennel-wormwood tonic itself has been around for ages.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 08:43 AM

I'd love to see those sources. I've been questioning the VdT origin of absinthe for a while now, so some harder evidence against the Dr. Ordinaire tale would make my day.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:24 AM

Sure, no problem.

 

William Y-Worth, 1705:

 

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:59 AM

Ask and you shall receive. :laugh:



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:15 PM

Wow!

Aqua Absinthii, even the name is very similar.

 

Thanks Gwydion!


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:20 PM

My pleasure.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:27 PM

At the end of this article is a link to a pdf of the full court ruling in French

http://www.beveraged...-in-Switzerland

 

 

to pdf

http://www.bvger.ch/...c_JjKbNoKSn6A--



#638 Georges Meliès

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Posted Yesterday, 09:48 AM

According to Marie-Claude Delahaye's blog the issue is finally well and truly dead.

 

A quick translation:

 


 

The Association interprofessionnelle de l’absinthe has decided not to appeal the decision of the federal administrative tribunal. The TAF had ruled for the opposition: absinthe is a generic name and therefore cannot belong solely to the Val-de-Travers.

The Association will nonetheless file a new claim at the Federal Office of Agriclture in early November to obtain an IGP Absinthe Val de Travers and Fée verte Val de Travers.



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Posted Yesterday, 02:29 PM

I wish them success in all their worthy endeavors.  


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Posted Yesterday, 02:46 PM

They should have gone in this new direction in the first place. It would have saved a lot of hassle, as well as money. And it's infinitely more logical. At least now they are asking for a geographical identity, which is the whole point of the IGP system.



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Posted Yesterday, 03:08 PM

As far as I knew, they already had the IGP for "absinthe de VdT".  As I recall, that was the protected designation in the deal with Russia.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:57 PM

Yeah sure, as long as nothing is hidden in that attempt.

 

Maybe I'm paranoid but the first attempt was so balls out nuts that I doubt they've completely given up trying to take the entire category. I'll reserve specific comments for when I know more about the new measure.

 

The fact that they are responding to defeat with an explicitly regional classification makes a lot of the previous pro-IGP arguments and excuses fall flat on their face. Something to consider when reading through the older pages of this thread.

 

If it is exactly what is implied though, then by all means let them have it.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:18 PM

As far as I knew, they already had the IGP for "absinthe de VdT".  As I recall, that was the protected designation in the deal with Russia.

 

It was the designation stated in that agreement, however when we wrote our position statement I could find no evidence of its legitimacy.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:30 PM

 

Somewhere or other I read that taking this to the last stage will cost them 18,000CHF. A chunk of money, but not huge in the grand scheme. I can only hope that they realize that the odds are against them; they aren't likely to prevail so is it worth throwing good money after bad? It's pretty obvious that their entire argument is flawed.

 

However earlier today I found a French-language Swiss site and read the article, and then the comments. The latter were almost all from people in the Neuchatel area (the website was for a newspaper there). They were emphatically aghast that the ruling went against them. So it's not just the producers. There's huge support for the proposal among the local residents. Still, they are outnumbered. No matter how strong their civic pride and love of local history, it's just not possible to say that absinthe is unique to VdT. For that mater, people are still arguing over the question of whether it even started there or not. But no matter, even if it did, at the time of the ban there were millions more bottles being produced in France than in VdT.

 

This French language article talks about how angry everyone in VdT is about the judgment.

 


 

 The Interprofession de l'absinthe  Wednesday did not hide its indignation and incomprehension after the decision of the Federal Adminitrative Tribunal to not give the IGP "Fée Verte." Angry, the Interprofesson de l'absinthe will need to determine its chances of success in an appeal. 

 

 

They can cry me a freakin' river....  

 

I can't say how pleased I am to hear that, at last, a court has ruled against these VdT schemes, but I too will be continuing my personal boycott of VdT absinthes.  There are plenty of good choices in the world these days, and I see no reason to buy from dishonest people.

 

If you feel the need to buy absinthe from Switzerland, I suggest Duplais Verte.

 

Otherwise, there is a long list of quality offerings from France and the USA to choose from.


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