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#1 Clement Arnoux (Aggelos)

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:42 AM

Good job Swiss distillers ! Absinthe, Fée Verte and La Bleue are now protected by an IGP, indication géographique protégée, meaning that can only be sold under these names in Switzerland products from the Val de Travers area.

Hard hit for Matter though, since they're not situated in the Val de Travers. But good job anyway, in uniting their forces, forgetting their private feuds, to obtain a real true acknowledgment of the history of the product and the quality of their absinthes !

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:12 AM

That actually sounds like overkill to me...particularly, if I understand this correctly, such a narrow definition of "absinthe."

Wouldn't such a definition even have excluded the old Pernod Fils?
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:39 AM

Not quite, translated to current European and Swiss right.

Pernod Fils was originally produced in Couvet, in Val de Travers, if I'm not mistaken. At that time, it would not have had issues with such a protection.

Then it moved to Pontarlier, in France. Europeance jurisprudence states (cassis de dijon case) that as long as the product is legal in any European country, there cannot be any restriction in another EU country on importing this product.

Switzerland has (and the contrary is not true) agreed to this, and therefore, Pernod would have been able to sell French Absinthe in Switzerland, even regardless on the restrictions on the production currently imposed in the IGP
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#4 Martin Zufanek

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 04:40 AM

My French is even worse than English, but seems like they protected just term "La Bleue du Val-de-Travers" Alan?
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 05:07 AM

Three "trademarks" are protected :
- Absinthe
- Fée Verte
- La Bleue
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:39 AM

Might be a dumb question--What does this mean for Matter, specifically?
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:15 PM

I could be wrong, but it would appear that this would prevent Matter -which is located in Kallnach, not the Val de Travers- from labeling their absinthe as absinthe. Quite ridiculous if that's the case.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:32 PM

That's pretty screwy. I suppose I can see "La Bleue" as being confined to one region, but definitely not the other terms.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:34 PM

I would imagine most laws like this can have a grandfather clause, which I would assume Matter would be granted. Or perhaps a way to apply for an exemption, only approved after investigation.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:51 PM

I hope so.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:19 PM

I'm against this.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:25 PM

Clearly. I mean, this could be a slippery slope, but I don't think it will actually get to that. I mean the French would laugh at Switzerland if they attempted to assert their own national legislation onto a global scale. That absinthe can only be called such only if it is distilled in the Val-de-Travers would surely be rebuffed by many outside of Switzerland.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:27 PM

It seems as if they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Maybe I'm seeing this all wrong but I gather that absinthe cannot claim to be absinthe unless it was made in Val de Travers, forget centuries of absinthe in France, Spain, etc...

edit: nod to Ron for faster post

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:46 PM

This is bullshit. :poop: :angry2:
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:35 PM

It seems as if they're cutting off their heads to spite their tails.



There, that sounds so much more absinthe-y.


Or not. :rolleyes:

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 05:28 PM

Well, I guess that I'm not going to be purchasing any more "swiss" absinthe. I guess I'll also speak my mind to others...

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 05:31 PM

Okay, having read the above, I feel my initial concern was warranted. I'll continue to support Absinthe Duplais, and I hope they will fight this and defeat it.

I have no idea what Swiss law is like, but it seems outrageous that Duplais would not be called "absinthe" in its home country.
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 12:39 AM

Well, I guess that I'm not going to be purchasing any more "swiss" absinthe.

Me either. I think I'll just make my own.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:20 AM

April Fool's?
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:25 AM

I hope it is. That would at least make sense.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:27 AM

Oh, no, not this one, I fear...

I have some feedback, and believe me or not, you would not like to be a distiller in Swtz right now...
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:51 AM

That's too bad.
I guess there was a desire to create an exclusive appellation to tie a product to a region, not unlike Cognac or Armagnac, yes?

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:01 AM

Originaly I think, yes.

From what I've heard, the real problem is they went too far. Protecting "Absinthe du Val de Travers" or "Absinthe de Couvet" would have been lauded all around, it seems. Very much like "Nuit St Georges" is wine AOC (controled origin name), because it comes from the vines of Nuit St Georges.
I mean, everybody likes some pedigree, a pedigree comes with defined characteristics and standards.

But telling "Absinthe" is only from Val de Travers makes absolutely no sense ! That woul be like telling you can't call "chocolate" chocolate because you'd have to be aztec to do so...
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:08 AM

Oh, no, not this one, I fear...

I have some feedback, and believe me or not, you would not like to be a distiller in Swtz right now...



Or an importer/distiller who may want to bring in (import) quality absinthe that meets the strict (Swiss) definition of what is an absinthe into Switzerland

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:17 PM

Originaly I think, yes.

From what I've heard, the real problem is they went too far. Protecting "Absinthe du Val de Travers" or "Absinthe de Couvet" would have been lauded all around, it seems.


I agree, they went way too far, and until this is repealed, the only Swiss absinthe I will buy is Duplais. I'm just one person, so I doubt they'll care. Nevertheless, I'm done with VdT "absinthe."
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 08:19 PM

You're not alone Marlow. :wave2:

But then I'm also fortunate enough to live in a place were supporting a local blanche might become an option. Odds are it would be better than most boring la bleues anyway.

Or an importer/distiller who may want to bring in (import) quality absinthe that meets the strict (Swiss) definition of what is an absinthe into Switzerland


Goodness knows they need it; if you live in VdT it seems you might not be able to get a decent verte locally. They've been making blanches so long they still haven't figured out that secondary maceration of AA defeats the whole purpose. :pirate:
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 05:51 AM

I've been waiting for Alan to weigh-in, hoping he might provide a little insight.
Was this originally a good idea that politicians screwed-up in their own inimitable fashion? Or is there more (or less) here that we're not seeing?

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 09:01 AM

That's a good question Joe. I hope there's more to it, and that I'm overreacting. I feel kinda bad because I know Alan does care. Maybe he's not a liberty to say anything yet.

A lot of those VdT producers almost certainly care to one degree or another, but sometimes an organization can be dumber than its individual parts, and intentions can be skewed by politics and greed.

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 09:21 AM

I'm sure it will all become clear in the future. As I understood the original post, this was strictly a Swiss law pertaining to the sale of absinthe in Switzerland. As far as I know, there is no DOCG, or even an application for DOCG. I read recently that all these recent applications for DOCG to the EU have caused them to debate new laws on the topic. This was brought up last year when Italy applied for a DOCG on Prosecco.

At any rate, we should find out exactly what has been done, and who it affects. Even if it's a Swiss law pertaining to the sale in Switzerland, it's possible it would have no effect on exports. Who knows.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 09:22 AM

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