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#31 Auguru

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 10:37 PM

Although it has a fragrance that is similar to Absinthium, it never flowers. This is probably why it is unsuitable for absinthe making.


Is there a particular reason for the "flowering" note. If PC did flower, why would that make it suitable? Intensification/concentration of the flavour? I thought young leaves/tips would be all that was necessary.

I've got A. absinthium and PC growing in my garden this year and must say the PC is more fragrant. Seems like it ought to work great.

On a side note, should I expect either or both to come back next year? That is, will they survive the relatively mild Atlanta winter? I don't expect to have difficulty obtaining new plants next year, but if they perform better in subsequent years, I won't dig them up before re-planting the beds next Spring. What about the extras I have in large pots? Protect them in the garage or leave 'em out in the yard?
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 04:35 AM

Is there a particular reason for the "flowering" note.  If PC did flower, why would that make it suitable?  Intensification/concentration of the flavour?

The flowers are the most fragrant part of the plant Aa. They do lend a certain flavour and aroma.
Since we are talking about making Absinthe, most purists believe That if it is not made w/ Artemisia absinthium, it cannot be called Absinthe.

On a side note, should I expect either or both to come back next year?

Yes, they are both perennials and should do fine through the winter.
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 12:24 PM

Powis Castle is listed as a possible (probable) hybrid between A absinthium and A arborescens. It is used as an ornamental because it is easier to control than other artemisias.
Although it has a fragrance that is similar to Absinthium, it never flowers. This is probably why it is unsuitable for absinthe making.

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I've read articles that claim both that it is a hybrid as you mention above, and ones that strongly contend that it isn't. Funny... you'd think the botany geeks would have figured it out by now.

Any idea what the alpha-Thujone content of this plant is?

My mother is growing a ton of this stuff, and strangely, she told me that she *did* see it flower. But only once in the 5 years she's had it.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 03:09 PM

I found this interesting:

Thujone Content of Four Plant Species ('03)

Kathy VanWormer

Thujone was extracted and analyzed from four plant species using soxhlet extraction and GCMS. It was found that out of the four plants, dried western cedar tips had the most thujone than the others by more than a a factor of 20. Cedar had 5320 mg thujone/kg dried weight , wormwood had 239 mg/kg and thyme had 71 mg/kg.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 05:30 PM

Not surprising; thujone gets its name from Thuja occidentalis, or White Cedar.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:00 PM

Cedar had 5320 mg thujone/kg dried weight , wormwood had 239 mg/kg and thyme had 71 mg/kg.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:09 AM

Not surprising; thujone gets its name from Thuja occidentalis, or White Cedar.

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No wonder deer get so weird in the winter and spring, eating cedar boughs, loading up on that :chop:

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:17 AM

I'm assuming the other was sage but they didn't list it. I was a little suprised by the thujone content in cedar tips.

I was reading about thujone extraction and found that statement. There was a patent applied for in 1988 that outlined a process to extract thujone from wormwood.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:41 AM

Not surprising; thujone gets its name from Thuja occidentalis, or White Cedar.

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Maybe we can get Jad Adams on TV to suck on a cedar chest, and demonstrate the psycho active properties of thujone. :laf:
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:54 AM

Now I know why I like Salmon cooked on cedar planks so much.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 11:16 AM

and humidors
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 03:39 PM

Maybe we can get Jad Adams on TV to suck on a cedar chest, and demonstrate the psycho active properties of thujone. :laf:

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Maybe he could persuade Dr. O to play the ventriloquist to his dummy.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 03:44 PM

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:49 PM

Unfortunate last name.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 05:03 PM

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:17 PM

and humidors

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Humidors are actually made of, or lined with, Spanish Cedar which is a kind of Mahogany and not Cedar.
The humidor contents are enjoyable anyway :)
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Posted 09 February 2006 - 06:45 PM

It was a pun

I appreciate the info. I happen to have four humidors and many in their gullets
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