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#61 Zman (Marc Bernhard)

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 01:20 PM

:thumbdown: Mugwort a traditional absinthe ingredient?
The recipe itself may be old and traditional, but nowhere in those statements does it say that this product is made per that recipe.

If you don't like anise at all, you're not likely to care for any decent absinthe, as absinthe is an anise flavored drink. It's kind of like asking if there are any good beers that don't taste like hops or malt.----Hiram

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#62 Jonathan D.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 01:52 PM

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 02:23 PM

I find the second sentence in the paragraph that clearly claims natural coloration to be false and misleading. The proof to the contrary is on the bottle label itself.

The production method described on the distillery's website (http://www.distiller...om/liqueurs.php) illustrates a maceration of herbs, followed by a distillation of the spent herbs, most likely to recover alcohol that would otherwise be lost but subject to taxation. And of course, the dose of sugar is plainly denoted. All the old treatise authors must have forgotten about this method, because it does not appear anywhere (for reasons which should be obvious).

Only a relatively small amount of macerated A.a. is required to sour the final product, so that casts serious doubt of the 'full measure of A.a.' claim, which they've obviously borrowed (putting it politely) from another product. Given such contradictions as these, I can accept nothing in their literature at face value. And of course, we'll overlook the typos.

Actually, there is one thing I would accept from them at face value. Read the first 10 words of the response in their FAQ, taken directly from the Absente website (see attached file). I feel this places everything into a proper perspective.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 03:14 PM

I think we can all agree that this product aint gonna be the bees knees, and that there's some obvious diversionary marketing. I've just been inferring it, as opposed to coming out and just saying it.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible until I taste and review it.
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 03:29 PM

Well, I suppose I am as well, although I've had a fair bit of experience with the "standard" Absente.

Ted, I don't mean to attempt to contradict anything you're putting forth here, but I'm sure you know that screen grab is from their previous attempt at non-absinthe, not their current attempt at just-not-very-good-absinthe. ;) They probably still don't know what absinthe tasted like!

Still, I find it endlessly amusing that they spent all those years telling us Absente was just as good as "real" absinthe, but now they've figured out that "real" absinthe is better, so we're to just forget all that Southern wormwood nonsense.
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 03:40 PM

Another Grand Wormwood convert. ;)

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible until I taste and review it.

So am I, Shabba.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 04:31 PM

I think some various forum members will have tasted it in a few days and maybe we can get some additional opinions :cheers:

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 06:48 PM

Another Grand Wormwood convert. ;)

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible until I taste and review it.

So am I, Shabba.


Based upon Crillion's past record that's funny and noble at the same time.

If you don't like anise at all, you're not likely to care for any decent absinthe, as absinthe is an anise flavored drink. It's kind of like asking if there are any good beers that don't taste like hops or malt.----Hiram

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 07:01 PM

that's funny and noble at the same time.

And probably describes me to a "T" as well. ;)
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 09:06 AM

I have no problem if someone wants to sell a pre-sweetened artificially-colored beverage, I just wish they would be honest about it instead of claiming the exact opposite in their literature. I sent them an e-mail saying as much, but I doubt I'll be getting a reply.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 09:33 AM

Have ordered a bottle along with another bottle of ST George and for those that will think I am nuts , get over it.
I like ST George , what can I say yur dealing with an old drunk.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 10:18 PM

Until recently my favorite liquor store has only carried Lucid. I was pleasantly surprised today to find a shelf packed with Kübler and Grande Absente - it's a good sign. The proprietor, an old acquaintance is doing his best to meet a growing demand with as many US offerings he can.

So I bought a bottle of Grande Absente, trying my best to over look the ridiculous looking bottle, hey packaging is half the battle and presentation is everything - well, almost.

I posted a review earlier this evening. But my impression was one of disappointment. It's extremely sweet and aside from a candy like sticky licorice flavor any subtle nuance be it herbal or floral was lost to me, in both aroma and flavor.

We still managed to drink a few glasses. It does pack a wallop at 138 proof. I suppose this is neither a good nor bad thing. I don't regret buying it - if only for the fact that it's increased my appreciation for finer Absinthes.


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Posted 18 June 2008 - 12:42 AM

I think we can all agree that this product aint gonna be the bees knees, and that there's some obvious diversionary marketing. I've just been inferring it, as opposed to coming out and just saying it.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible until I taste and review it.

As should we all. Ad hominem criticism is (or should be) beneath us. Healthy skepticism may be warranted in the case of some producers, but I'd prefer to wait until I've actually tasted something to review it. As for the marketing BS, there's been puffery and exaggerated claims on the part of practically every producer on the market so far—including the best authentic brands. If we really want to dissect overblown and vague claims, we have a lot of material to work with.

Have ordered a bottle along with another bottle of ST George and for those that will think I am nuts , get over it. I like ST George , what can I say yur dealing with an old drunk.


Nothing wrong with that. St. George is a sincere effort to make an authentic but very unique absinthe, if you like it, you like it. If we get caught up in citing our personal taste preferences to slam producers, we're all fucked.

I'd like to see more effort put into coaching producers and marketers as to how to make and present a worthy product. And if we make room for the more mid-shelf brands, it'll make the truly premium products shine that much more. :devil:

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:06 AM

I've just been inferring it, as opposed to coming out and just saying it. I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible until I taste and review it.


Healthy skepticism may be warranted in the case of some producers, but I'd prefer to wait until I've actually tasted something to review it.


I should have mentioned that I received and sampled this product a few weeks ago. Feel free to take my observations with a grain of salt. Others will surely confirm them.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:50 AM

I found a great alternative use for the top half of the Jade Brouille glass - the hole is so big it works very well as a funnel for filling sample bottles with products like Grande Absente that I don't think I will be finishing the rest of.

Luckily for louching I also have a decorative glass stone that slows it to an acceptable drip :thumbup:

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 10:07 AM

Healthy skepticism may be warranted in the case of some producers, but I'd prefer to wait until I've actually tasted something to review it.

I should have mentioned that I received and sampled this product a few weeks ago. Feel free to take my observations with a grain of salt. Others will surely confirm them.

I was referring to those who slam a product as soon as they hear of it, based solely on who the producer is.

To play devil's advocate on the coloring issue, the presence of artificial coloring does not automatically negate the possibility of natural coloring by maceration as well. It could very well be that synthetic coloring was used to augment the natural color, a nearly universal practice in the food and drinks industries, including high-end spirits.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 11:22 AM

I may have artificial coloring in my Plymouth Gin!!

While my respect and admiration for many members of this August crowd verges on worship, I still intend to render an objective opinion after I have tasted this (and Obsello). I understand avoiding products based on unfavorable, objective reviews but I think WS has a responsibility to be the one making those reviews.


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Posted 18 June 2008 - 12:10 PM

New siggy, T?
- cogito ergo louche

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 01:17 PM

Yeah. Food porn: Click. Drool. Repeat. :dribble:

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 01:31 PM

Based upon Crillion's past record that's funny and noble at the same time.


Sometime back Michel Roux (Crillon's big daddy) was on CNN International, telling the reporter how sugar makes thujone explode in your glass of Absente. :laf:
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 04:37 PM

Aw, c'mon. Give the new Absente a chance. After all, if the thujone explodes, then it's all worth it. I can look at a pile of shit (in this case Absente) and know it's gonna taste like shit.

If you don't like anise at all, you're not likely to care for any decent absinthe, as absinthe is an anise flavored drink. It's kind of like asking if there are any good beers that don't taste like hops or malt.----Hiram

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 05:39 PM

I'd pay money to see that!
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:23 PM

Let's not forget this steaming pile of Absente marketing.

Wormwood drops to dose your regular Absente. :thumbdown:

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:44 AM

Somehow, that just doesn't have the dignity of the medicinal presentation of, say, the Elixir de Chartreuse. :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 01:09 PM

I'm guessing we have a few more tastees by now...

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 03:48 PM

Hey, I did my bit for posteriority. ;)
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 04:03 PM

Yes, but it's all behind you now.

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 04:25 PM

And the view of the next guy has not changed.

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 04:58 PM

Sitting down with a glass of Grande Absente "kindly" provided by Doctor Love...

Before louche it smells almost completely of alcohol, post louche it smells and tastes sickly sweet (like Pernod); even finishing the glass is a chore... so I think I'll sink it.

I would encourage no one to waste their money on this, even for educational purposes. Trust me it's bad.


*In all seriousness thank you to D.L. for sharing a sample; it was bad but I appreciate being able to try it. :cheers:
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 05:00 PM

Well don't say I didn't warn ya. Needless to say I got the better half of that exchange!


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