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  1. A couple folks asked about this at the WS East event and I said I would post the info about it. It was previously posted over at ADI and privately to the people that have made inquiries over the last couple years about starting a distillery.



    Anyway this is all about making whiskey as it was made in small batches and doubled distilled in copper using recipes that remained relatively stable from about 1820 until Prohibition. It's going to be fun.


    Delaware Phoenix Distillery


    Chillin' and Distillin' Craft Distilling Adventure


    4 day intensive workshop


    November 11th through November 14th, 2010

    9 a.m. until we're done with the day's work (about 6 p.m.)


    at Delaware Phoenix Distillery, Walton, NY


    Join distiller Cheryl Lins in a hands-on workshop at a working distillery, DSP-NY-15019. Our emphasis will be on making American whiskey: rye, corn, bourbon. We'll go through the whole whiskey production process from grinding the grain, mashing, fermenting, distilling to barreling and bottling. We'll use a 50 gallon Christian Carl pot still while turning back the clock to explore mid-19th century whiskey production methods and the modern legal and business environment for operating a small distillery. Participation is limited to 15 people.


    Cost: $500 per person

    $125 non-refundable deposit

    ($600 after October 28, 2010)

    Limited to 15 people.


    Lunch will be provided each day.


    Make check or money order payable to Delaware Phoenix Distillery and mail to Delaware Phoenix Distillery, PO Box 245, Walton, NY 13856


    For more information contact the distillery, 607-865-5056.



    Transportation to Walton, NY


    Walton is a small village of maybe 3,000 people in the western Catskills region of upstate New York. The nearest airport is an hour away, and there is no public transportation that will get you to Walton.


    The nearest airport is in Binghamton, about an hour away by car. Albany airport is about two hours away, and Newark airport is about 3½ hours by car. It's recommended that you fly to whichever airport you choose and then rent a car for the trip to Walton. For those driving from New York City, Walton is about 3 hours from the George Washington Bridge.


    Accommodations in and near Walton, NY


    Walton itself has a B&B and there are a couple others nearby. Most of these have just a couple or three rooms. There's a couple other places that are more like motels within short driving distances in Walton, Hamden, and Downsville. Once you've registered, I'll send you a list of places.


    Early November Weather in Walton, NY


    At this time Walton can be experiencing cold temperatures and maybe snow. Though usually not a lot. Daytime temperatures can be 40's-50's or 20's-30's, and at night the mercury can go to the 30's down into the teens. So while the distillery will be warm, the outside weather will be cold, especially overnight. Come prepared!


    Clothing for Distilling


    This is a working workshop. The intent is for the participants to get hands-on experience with mashing, fermenting and distilling, and there's a good chance you'll get messy. The distillery is not a clean room. The yeast do not care what you look like, only that you don't introduce competing bacteria into their environment.

  2. Brian, you seem to be doing more of the nitpicking by presuming that all of my statements are about you.


    But to clarify, an IGP application is not a legal battle, regardless of whether one side or the other has a lawyer. As an example of that, in New York state, when you buy a house, both sides are represented at the closing by a lawyer, in addition to being represented by themselves. Just because lawyers are present or involved doesn't make it a legal battle.


    As further clarification let's look at other IGP's, for example this one for a Polish cheese. Now this is for the EU, but the process if similar for an IGP. The goal of attaining status as an official EU brand (EU Protect Food Names Program) is


    It identifies regional and traditional foods whose authenticity and origin can be guaranteed. The designation, also available for wines and spirits, protects the heritage, character and reputation of locally produced food and drink.


    The full article can be found here.



    There are many, many of these protected names/brands. It's not unreasonable to expect the VdT producers to seek protected status for their unique products. And my reference to small family operations was to them to highlight how similar they are to many of the small American absinthe producers.


    If you want to take time to help Ted's and Oxy's lawyers "battle" the illusionary forces of evil residing in the VdT, then that's up to you. But there is nothing to battle as it's just presentations of information. Even if one opposes the application. But again, realistically, there's little reason to believe that even a positive determination in favor of the IGP would impact American absinthe distillers. In fact, it would be positive for the American absinthe distillers if all of a sudden there wasn't any more absinthe coming out of the Emile Pernot distillery. :laf:


    Not that I'd want such an outcome.


    I'm done!

  3. Since, as I said, I'm not Grim, I could only hypothesize as to what he thought. I gave some speculations.


    It took completely what has been said into account. (If you want you can point out where you think I haven't. But I suspect that was simply a broad generalization.)


    Never once do I mention a WS-sponsored boycott. Where did you get this idea? Because I mentioned WS as a reference to it's members?


    This talk of "legal battle", please tell us (the WS folks) what court this case is before? I don't think it's before any court at the present time. It is before the Swiss government agency responsible for such decisions. They received the IGP application from the VdT group, there was a time period whereby interested parties could submit comments (for or against) regarding the application. Now the governmental body will decide. And until they make a decision, there's not much to do.


    It would have been cheaper to send copies of the Absinthe Encyclopedia, MCD's books (even in French) showing the producers in France of absinthe back in the day, to easily demonstrate the widespread nature of absinthe even 100 years ago. But I'm sure you'll tell me how that's not the right thing to do.


    I also fail to see the purpose in vilifying the VdT producers as somehow terrible, greedy people. Most of them are very small, one person, or one family operations. Just like me. Just like Marc or Gwydion, or Joe or Todd. Only Kübler is a relatively big producer in comparison. And they are a nobody compared to the large spirits houses. So I think it's best to put a personal face on these things rather than paint it all in this abstract good vs evil theme.


    As I said, I don't believe even granting of the IGP by the Swiss government (which might not happen) will effect absinthe production in the US any time soon, if ever. So if you like American absinthe that's good.

  4. I can't (and wouldn't) speak for Mr. Grim, but my guess is that he thinks a boycott is meaningless. My guess would be he'd assume that the VdT producers have a good market in Switzerland (in spite of their protestations to being inundated with faux absinthe, that doesn't pretend to be from VdT).


    My guess would be take ClB has a decent market in the US, to at least long time absintheurs and some absinthe bars. The others don't have much presence if at all, except for Kübler. Which if not ubiquitous, is very commonly available. And it seems "many" people who might be casual absinthe drinkers drink it because that's what they can easily find at their local bars, the local stores.


    My guess is that Grim believes that a WS boycott of VdT products won't impact the largest producer, Blackmint Distillery, as the WS members don't consume their products much anyway. Just a guess.


    I suspect that Kübler is the driving force behind the IGP and it's expansive declaration. And I suspect that they have the authority/muscle/whatever to not force the other VdT producers to go along, but not doing so might negatively impact their business in Switzerland and maybe the EU. And I'm sure the other VdT producers really think it's just about Switzerland. But I'm sure for Kübler/Blackmint Distillery, they feel that if they can get the IGP for Switzerland they can use that in the EU trade agreements. And maybe someday, the US.


    But my personal opinion is that it's unlikely any EU declaration regarding absinthe and it's production will impact the US. There's not even an agreed upon legal definition of the spirit. How can you prohibit naming something that doesn't exist? You can make whiskey, gin, rum and put the word "absinthe" on the label. It doesn't even have to have wormwood in it.


    I don't think the IGP will be approved. Too broad. And they won't grant a lesser designation "absinthe d'VdT" because the applicants didn't ask for that. But it could take years before they (the Swiss) decide one way or the other. Then there could be appeals, etc.


    Do I think a boycott will cause the VdT producers to withdraw their application? No. Kübler doesn't care what WS or FV people think. But people need to make the personal choices they think are right.

  5. At a recent tasting I asked someone if they wanted to taste some absinthe.


    "No thanks, I have friends that make it".


    I didn't have a chance to ask, but I suspect the steep method was used. Of course, no reason for someone to buy it from a store when you can make it at home for near free. Whether you'll get a similar result is another matter.