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  1. Compound absinthes are currently made as a shortcut, just like other artificially flavored schnapps.


    I guess that's what I was thinking about when I posed the question.


    Heaven knows there were enough recipes back in the day to suggest that it wasn't as sinister sounding as it is nowadays


    Today, the modern flavor and fragrance chemist has at their disposal thousands of individual chemical compounds that they can order from anethole to who knows what. They can simply dial in the components they want to whatever precision they need.


    The 19th and early 20th centuries didn't have that. In Duplais the essences that are discussed appear to be concentrated distillates from actual herbs, fruits, roots, etc. Those were then added to their neutral spirit to make the beverage, followed by artificial coloring.


    does anyone know what any of those old suckers could have tasted like?


    afaik, none of these have come down to us. (In 2006, I also asked this question.)

  2. Already been done. And their your favorites studiofox, the creme de la creme, ones I know you'll really love.


    Djabel (Devil) = Red Stromu

    Green Fairy = Green Stromu

    Koruna = KOS with a real wormwood stalk in the bottle!!!


    It seems like they haven't fulfilled our greatest desire in bringing the famous and very rare Yellow Stromu to our shores. Perhaps in the future, eh?



  3. Stolichnaya's Stoli Gold was given 93 points and lists at $25.99.

    Leopold Bros. Silver Tree American Vodka was also given the same 93 points, but lists at $39.95. So my vodka is nearly $14 more per bottle.


    So......does this mean that I am dishonest, a poor distiller, a poor businessman, or all three?


    No, it means Stoli is mass produced on a vast industrial scale, with all that implies, good and bad. Leopold is a small craft distilled that probably produced 1/1000th the quantity of Stoli (or much less). It's made is small batches, probably from American grain. It's not made on an industrial scale, with all that implies, good and bad. Stoli will always be on the shelf, never out of stock. There's not even enough Leopold Bros vodka for every likker store in America, let alone enough to keep in stock at a store near you.


    Peter Heering Cherry Liqueur, recieved 95 points, and lists at $26

    Leopold Bros. Blackberry Liqueur, recieved 95 points, and lists at $35


    Again, my spirit is almost ten bucks more per bottle. I must be a hypocrite.


    Blackberries are much more expensive than cherries, right?

  4. It was the formula specialist. But he also said the label has to state the use of "coloring herbs".


    I also really am appalled/saddened/amused that there's no place on COLAs eApplication to enter the TTB assigned ID number of the formula. Or the lab's TTB number for their report of the date (all of which they all ask for on the eApplication).

  5. At Hiram's suggestion I checked out the Statement of Composition of other already approved absinthes on the US market.


    Not a single one says "artificially colored", though La Fee lists it's use of caramel and two FD&C colors on the back label, and the Red and green Stromu (Djabel and Green Fairy respectively) state "alcohol with herbs, natural flavor, certified colors and FD&C Yellow #5".


    It's really interesting to see all the different descriptions for all the products, even the ones that are naturally colored. "with natural flavors added" seems common. Some actually get to say "infused/colored/flavored with herbs".


    Gee, looks like I have another windmill to tilt at. Isn't that right, Sancho? :twitchsmile:

  6. Luckily, the US market is still enough in its infancy that we are 'lucky' enough to only have things like Grand Absente and La Pee as our worst products, compared to some of the crap that's floating around Europe.


    Koruna (KOS love child) and Djabel (Red Stromu I think) are approved with COLAs. Have you forgotten LTV? btw, I'm sorry but I haven't seen any yellow Stromu being imported (yet!). :devil:

  7. I think the reason the warning is there is due to the small lead content in brass. There are methods for removing it from the surface, but I'm not sure you can do that inside the spigot which is where the water will flow.


    I cannot say whether it is or is not an authentic health hazard. That's the problem with the Prop 65 warnings; just because some component contains something that could be hazardous, no matter how minute the quantity, it has to be listed.

  8. I asked a young gal who is a local potter if she could make a pitcher for holding water and ice for people to louche up their absinthe (real old-style instead of those fancy fountains). She said she'd give it a try. And I bought one of her prototypes.


    Pictures here:






    This first one is small, not much bigger than your standard Pontarlier repo glass. So enough water for 2 or 3 drinks. We first wanted to see how it would look and work.


    We know we want to put a little ice dam at the spout so your ice doesn't go plop into your glass all at once (or at all!). I'd like to be able to better dribble the water out, rather than a stream, but I don't know if that's possible. These will be Delaware Phoenix brand items, so somewhere will be the distillery name (like duh!).


    Other colors are possible (likely), with of course there being a green, but who knows, maybe a delicious red or vibrant blue.


    So I'm curious about folks opinions and views. I know many prefer fountains, put I think many average folks might be put off by all the accoutrements, when really all you need to do is pour some water into a glass with some absinthe.


    Being a handmade item it might be more expensive than a glass pitcher you'd buy at Wally world or IKEA. But a little pitcher might be about $15. We haven't worked out pricing on a larger size, not knowing what might be best.


    Thanks in advance for your opinions and views.

  9. Re: ridiculously arbitrary: yes!


    Since there is no TTB class and type for absinthe, it falls in the wonderful Distilled Spirits Specialty category. That invokes a bunch of rules about describing the product. It makes my head hurt just thinking about it, so I won't describe it.


    But I do know putting herbs in the alcohol, tain't artificial!

  10. Da-da-bump!


    Today I received forumula approval for my absinthes!


    Unfortunately, I have to say something to the effect of "artificially colored" even though all the color comes from the coloring herbs, which doesn't seem very artificial to me. I think it has something to do with FDA regulations regarding claims of "all natural". But it does say the label has to indicate the use of "coloring herbs".


    I guess it is artificial that I put herbs in alcohol to change the color of the alcohol. That really isn't natural.


    Maybe if I'd described my process as post-distillation flavoring, and the color was simply a side effect of that process, maybe I would have had something nicer to say on the label. But I'm tired of fighting bureaucracy. So, onward absinthe drinkers and distillers! Onward!