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  1. Very true. That is the primary purpose of the list, and with proper caveats, I can see expanding it a bit more, but cautiously. Ultimately, the buyer is best served with a variety of competing vendors.

    Here! Here! (or is it Hear! Hear! ??)


    I like TGO's idea of humble truths. We could have a simple rating system, maybe a three star rating system? With one or two lines summarizing our recommendation.


    Someone looking into absinthe and investigating different vendors with the thought of making a purchase might be well served by knowing our low opinion of sites hyping the thujones and selling bad tasting spirits as absinthe, especially if such sites were specifically mentioned.


    Just a thought, early in the morning.

  2. so where's the artwork?? :)

    I'm working on a pretty cool piece right now. Will post when done. I like it quite a bit... so far. But, I shall post no piece before it's time.l


    Welcome! :cheers:


    Glad to have another artist around. "Absinthe-inspired"? Do you like Gris? Braque? Klee?


    Ooooo, Duplais. I'd better order some soon before y'all beat me to it!

  3. Better talk to a lawyer rather than get opinions from us. While the Native Peoples lands (so-called reservations) are technically "sovereign" that sovereignty only extends as far as the Federal Government allows. You can't set up a meth lab or grow opium poppies on a reservation any more than you can do it in your back yard. Plus, how are you going to import this absinthe? It has to go through the United States ports of entry and right there it'll be seized. End of story.


    Having lived in New Mexico for seven years where Anglos are a minority, one gets a sense that this kind of thinking is DOA. It wasn't "Manifest Destiny" it was a kind warfare that we would call "ethnic cleansing". Think Bosnia.


    If you want to continue having a fantasy discussion, go ahead. I think our efforts would be better spent on legalizing absinthe and home distilling. Hopefully I didn't exceed the boundaries of civility or touch too much on the topic of politics.


    Oh, to answer your questions without any legal basis whatsoever :D :


    1. Probably not.

    2. No. (But the Navajo have a big coal fired power plant.)

    3. No. (Selling absinthe is still illegal in the US)

    4. No. (As above)

  4. For example, someone could import a case of absinthe (which would probably get seized), and then begin a court case to challenge the seizure.


    Great info there, Dakini. Only $800 to do a run, eh . . .

    HA! If I tried to get into the US with a case of absinthe, well they'd probably let the case in, and send me back to... Paris? Hey Trainer! Wait! Wait! Where'd he go? :D




    One thing interesting about the distillery is they want to do an eau-de-vie which I think has been mentioned as the french name for grappa. The grape base used by premium distillers for absinthe. I wonder if they'd be willing to sell some before it's been diluted? (My guess is not. And they'd probably ask a few too many questions.)



    And if Hiram, and friends can get absinthe legalized in this country, well I for one will be plunking down my $1450 for a NY distillery license. :cheers:

  5. Here's the web site for Tuthill Town Gristmill...


    Tuthill Town Gristmill. Includes link to the 6/21/2006 NY Times article as well a small newspaper article from March 06 and other info like where to buy their products. Looks like the historic gristmill itself along with 12 river front acres is for sale. Asking price? $1 million. Small change, right? :D


    I didn't find the web site on the thread, so thought it might be useful to have it here for the record.

  6. NY gets a deeper winter freeze, you'll probably want to mulch it really well after it dies back.



    Very good idea. I think for this area it is an especially good practice. According to Dave's Garden, A. pontica and A. a. are listed with a USDA Hardiness rating 4a (down to -30º F.) It almost never gets that cold here. (Iowa State also lists those ratings, so I'm inclined to think they are correct.)



    This is Pontica.... Small light & fluffy. Never gets too high off the ground by itself. (Unlike some people I know)


    Wow, Aardvark knows people that levitate. I'm totally impressed. :D

  7. Does temperature have an effect as well? A few times (in the beginning) when I didn't have my water cold enough, I got unlouched bands at the top and bottom at 1:1 ratio or so. When adding the rest of the water those bands louched as well.


    Is it Fritsch (or Brannt?) that mentions diluting the spirit from the still with warm water? Or am I just all wet?

  8. One thing to keep in mind when growing pontica is that about 80% of what is grown is thrown out (at least for liquor making purposes). After the stalk is cut down, the dead leafy portions on the lower part of the stems must be removed prior to drying. After drying the leafy portions are then stripped off. Pontica does not like wet climates, and will mostly thrive on very well drained soil.

    Thanks so much ZMan for the excellent info. I'll have to plan on building "pontica barns" for the drying of the plants. It's all about world domination you know :D


    If it grows reasonably well in the Seattle area as Aardvark says, surely it'll do well in upstate NY. I can't imagine that that we have more rain and clouds than Seattle and the Pacific NW B) It's worth a try as far as I'm concerned. A lot of the soils here are not clay based. Plus I have access to lots of free, well aged goat manure.



  9. the white fairy was recently modified. how? ...

    the distillery was also instructed not to filter the white fairy before bottling, which is normally done through a multi-layered cellulose plate contraption which is quite aggressive in terms of removing more than just unsightly particals or tint.

    we have found this type of filtering also strips flavor and anethol, and as everyone knows, the pernot absinthes certainly don't need less anethol than they have.



    I wonder if they also do run the White Fairy through the filtering mechanism?


    Since Pierre isn't talking, I presume his original post means that they did in the original version, but did not use such equipment in the new version. And that may explain the color difference. (Just stating the obvious as always.) :D



    The dilution of the distilled spirit with alcohol and water was typical of the traditional recipes for Absinthes Ordinaire, Semi-fine, and Fine as given in Duplais and other distiller's manuals of the time. Check Oxy's site, in Books IV. And there was a huge market for such products in that era. Not everyone could afford to drink Pernod Fils on a regular basis, and some (many?) couldn't afford it at all. My guess would be the recipe for the White Fairy was probably for an Absinthe Fine and the product was pretty good in it's class, in it's day. A lot of our expectations are now biased in favor of the Absinthe Suisse type of product. I imagine that's for the best.


    I'm putting the White Fairy on my (admittedly long) list of absinthes to try.



  10. Keep in mind that pontica is used at the rate of around a gram per liter. A pound will color about 453 liters of absinthe. For your use, I'm sure an ounce or two will more than suffice.


    The most common method of propagating pontica is by root division. From what I hear, it's very difficult to start from seed.


    As for pounds-per-acre, not so much, I'll bet. Pontica is very light and fluffy, it takes a lot to make a pound.


    Thanks Hiram. I knew I only needed a little bit.


    The references to pounds and pounds-per-acre are for reference to farming. I'm not talking a little plot in the back yard. I have friends who are real farmers (certified organic as well). (I know many of you frown on those organic "hippy" types and folks who eat vegetables. I read all those threads too. :P ) The second home owners here also want to maintain their agricultural exemption on their property taxes. So there may be some possibilities.


    You see, I have to be prepared for the day when absinthe is legal in the US. Prepared for A. pontica World Domination!! (evil cackling laugh) :D

  11. I had noticed this as well. I'd sent email. Markus responded pretty quick that he doesn't offer that option of courier shipping for the time being. He said priority mail to NY (where I live) would be about a week.


    Since the information sent to me was via email, perhaps it would be better if Markus himself posted something. btw, it's nothing that Markus did and I look forward to making an order with him soon.

  12. the white fairy was recently modified. how? without being able to drastically change the basic recipe, which we were not allowed until recently, i had them stop adding pure alcohol along with the water when reducing it.


    Sorry for such a late reply, but I only now understand what this statement might mean :D


    In Duplais, Fritsch and other manuals, this description of adding alcohol and water when reducing the distillate is used in producing absinthe fines, demi-fine, and ordinaire. Correct? (See for example pages 378-379 of Duplais 4th edition (1882). So you have upgraded the White Fairy to more of an absinthe suisse protocol would be my understanding. Did I correctly understand what you wrote? This is a good improvement, yes?


    LDF also bought absinthe plants from the local fields for them to use, which are significantly stronger (and younger) than herb-supplier plants. whether anyone notices or not, the amount of absinthe in the un emiles and white fairy is around 3 times more than the typical historical recipe.


    Is this due to using the fresh plant having greater weight than dry herbs? EG not as much water removed from the plant material before use. Or something different? The historical recipes vary considerably in the ratios of wormwood/anise/fennel. For example, Duplais gives (in kg for 100 liters)


    Absinthe ordinaire 2.5/2/0

    Absinthe semi-fine 2.5/4/1

    Absinthe fine 2.5/5/2


    Compared with the Absinthe Suisse of

    Pontarlier 2/5/5

    Montpellier 2/6/4

    Lyon 3/8/4

    Fougerolles 2.5/7.5/4



    I don't want the recipe for the White Fairy :D , I'm just trying to understand the relationship between the old recipes and the old techniques and how that effects the end result when we attempt to "replicate" them with our modern technology. As you say later on (and I don't quote that) the filtration system used previously was perhaps too aggressive. Have any hair sieves come down to us? My hypothesis is they merely removed plant particulate and not the all important Flavor Molecules™. I'm not a chemist so I'm sure you and/or the good Doctors will correct my erroneous view of reality quite soon.




  13. OK, I was quite impressed with shinshain and martin's experiments in herb tasting. And ZMan suggested that the Brut d'Alembic could be used to experiment with coloring and the effect of the herbs on taste. It got me thinking (usually a Bad Idea™). Where could I get the herbs? What about a few seeds to plant in the garden (instead of the worthless burdock there now)?


    From past posts I know of Cascade Herbs and a couple other places mentioned previously. Cascade has quoted me for A. pontica herb $20/1.5 oz plus $2 per 1.5 oz shipping. At this rate A. pontica is selling for over $200/lb. Are there any other sources? Lots of other places sell (probably not very good) A. absinthium and other Artemisia species.


    I haven't been able to find any sources for A. pontica seeds. There is Theatrum Botanicum Herb Plants but they list only plants and are currently out of A. pontica anyway. At the price of the herb I know I wouldn't be selling my seeds either. ;)


    And if anyone has a few pontica seeds, maybe you could just PM me and we could trade. :D


    Does anyone know what the yield would be A. pontica in pounds of dried herb per acre? You see, 100 pounds at $200/lb, well, y'all are smart, you can do the math. And yes, they scoffed at the Wright Brothers too. :cheers:

  14. I'm sorry to hear that Oxy. I hope you get up and running soon as I know your site (like WS and other "reputable and proper absinthe sites" :D ) is very valuable in dispelling absinthe myths and promoting an intelligent dialog between us all.


    I really wonder what "benefit" the hacker got from this? A cheap thrill? Being able to think "oooo, I got back at those %$!". I'm sure the thrill won't last; it's probably over by now - like the imaginary thujone high. The perpetrator will simply remain bitter, just like a a glass of KoS. How sad for all involved.