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Gwydion Stone
It gives me great pleasure to announce the upcoming release of my own absinthe brand, Absinthe Marteau.

I had hoped to make the online announcement as simultaneously as possible as the one at Tales of the Cocktail, but I didn't have the easy internet access, or time, that I thought I might. I also didn't realize that it would hit the internet literally moments after the words escaped my lips.

As is often the case with absinthe news, particularly of this magnitude, there's so much information to assimilate and so much excitement that's it's easy to misunderstand small but important details. After this goes through several re-tellings and successive entropic approximations, it can get pretty distorted. I take responsibility for any misunderstandings in Jamie Boudreau's post, as I could've probably made myself more clear when I talked with him and the folks at Tales of the Cocktail.

Caveat: I intend to honor all of the established rules of this forum out of respect and fairness for my colleagues and won't entertain discussion which infringes them.

I'll answer any legitimate questions which don't infringe upon my personal privacy or proprietary information. I won't entertain inter-forum adolescent bullshit or endure the tedious, transparent innuendoes and kicks under the table which are becoming all too common around here, so if you're so inclined, be prepared to get called on it.


Here's the straight scoop:

MARTEAU

I developed the recipe for Marteau over the last several years and then commissioned a distillery to make it, strictly according to my recipe and protocols.

My intent is to eventually establish my own distillery and take over production personally. To that end, I'm forming a company, Gnostalgic Spirits, which will specialize in designing 19th century style spirits and cocktail ingredients such as bitters and liqueurs. I'm working with an American distillery to begin production myself, stateside. No idea yet on time-frame, but I'll probably start production on some products by the end of the year.

Marteau Verte Classique will be distilled in Switzerland at the Matter-Luginbühl Distillery by Oliver Matter who, as most of you know, is the award-winning distiller of Markus' Duplais line of absinthes as well as Marilyn Mason's Mansinthe, Giger's Brevans and the Brut d'alambic. While I'm very proud of my creation, I don't feel a particular need to say that I personally distilled it, as long as the person running the still is committed to following my instructions, and is qualified and skilled; and Oliver is definitely that. As we well know, Pernod Fils got on fairly well without Henri-Louis at the controls of each alembic.

The Marteau absinthes are soundly based on the usual traditional recipes from the 19th century: Duplais, De Brevans, Fritsch etc. By "based on" I mean traditional ingredients and their relative amounts as well as strict adherence to the Duplais Suisse Protocol.

This is the first authentic absinthe—since the 1912 ban—that was developed specifically for use in classic cocktails.

It's very good as a drink on its own, but I chose the particular botanicals and used them in proportions that lend a more savory and aromatic component than other traditional absinthes, which can often be too candy-like. Rather than cut back on the anise, I've worked with the other botanicals and brought them forward to compliment it rather than push it into the background.

The sample which Jamie, Shabba, Nymph and all the WSers at TOC, as well as the 150 people at the Forgotten Ingredients panel discussion, were from prototypes, since the end commercial product has not yet been released.

As we all know, artisanal products, particularly new ones, are subject to change. I don't expect Marteau will be any different. Different apparatus, different regional herb sources, different water, these are the variables we have to work with. The first release of Marteau Verte Classique will possibly be slightly different in character than the samples, but every effort is being made to bring it as close as possible given the conditions. Future batches will be adjusted if necessary to achieve the desired profile.

For now, starting probably in early October, it will be available exclusively from Markus at absinthe-distribution.com; it might be picked up by the other vendors later.

We'll start out with small batches, so grab it fast. We'll increase production according to demand.

It should fit into roughly the same price range as the other Matter absinthes, but the final estimate is not in yet. The process is a little more complicated and there are a number more botanicals in it than a lot of other absinthes, so the cost rises proportionally.

No samples or labels have been submitted to the TTB yet, although this is in the works for the future. Again, no time frame yet.


THE IMPACT ON WS

My business as a spirits developer and my role here are completely separate. I stated earlier that when I went pro I would take on an advisory board to help in the decision-making and to assure that the administration of the Wormwood Society was open to outside input and increased objectivity. The advisory board was selected months ago and has been actively contributing to the further growth and development of WS.

The Wormwood Society is quickly becoming the most active, user-friendly and accessible absinthe resource on the web. My visit to New Orleans, the most absinthe-conscious population in the country, highlighted the great need for further education and outreach if we're going to clean up absinthe's reputation. In order to achieve this, there is also a need for increased professionalism (note: professionalism ≠ commercialism) or the public has no reason to take us seriously. Instead of merely sitting at our keyboards ridiculing people for not knowing any better, those of us who give a damn need to go out and do something. More on this later.

Cheers!




Brian Robinson
QUOTE (Hiram @ Jul 24 2007, 06:09 PM) *
My intent is to eventually establish my own distillery and take over production personally. To that end, I'm forming a company, Gnostalgic Spirits, which will specialize in designing 19th century style spirits and cocktail ingredients such as bitters and liqueurs.

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Derrick
thumbup.gif I'm ready to buy!
Brooks
Congrats on a great product, kiddo. Here's wishing you well on your launch. abs-cheers.gif
Derrick
Will you be using 'traditional' label design? Will WS members be getting a sneak preview when the label design is complete?
Wrayalien
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monkeycurious
I have tried it and it is excellent! abs-cheers.gif

Congratulations!

Do you think we will be able to order it from the States?
MMarking
Congratulations on your success! I know you have worked very hard and deserve all of the great press that has been and will be sure to come. abs-cheers.gif
printmkr
Well, this is indeed special! It must be a dream realized! It will be interesting to see the label... of course taste is everything (I mean the absinthe), but I will be curious what your design sensibilities come up with! Somewhere between the Duplais labels and the traditional Jade stuff? Just keep in mind the number one rule of American design... it must look good on a t-shirt! Best of luck and I will be in line to order when all is said and done. I feel like I am present at a moment in absinthe history, and I only have been here several months. I salute those of you who have been here for years, fighting the Porkchop Wars, etc. abs-cheers.gif

P.S. - Is there a Bohemian style in the works? *ducks*
MASTERPC
We're proud of you, Hiram and as I told you last Thursday night in NOLA, you should be really proud of yourself! abs-cheers.gif abs-cheers.gif
LeRoy M.
Congratulations, Hiram ! thumbup.gif
Gwydion Stone
Thanks everyone.
QUOTE (Derrick @ Jul 24 2007, 03:55 PM) *
Will you be using 'traditional' label design? Will WS members be getting a sneak preview when the label design is complete?
Yes, and yes.
QUOTE (monkeycurious @ Jul 24 2007, 04:16 PM) *
I have tried it and it is excellent! abs-cheers.gif

Congratulations!

Do you think we will be able to order it from the States?
Thanks. The initial release from Markus will be just like everything else he carries, that's his end of it. When I start producing here, I certainly hope so. In the meantime, Frank Dietrich's Taboo is definitely worth your attention.
Phoenix
Congratulations Hiram! I'll definitly order a bottle when it's available to do so. Good luck with the release. abs-cheers.gif
metodd1
This will be so great -- the samples I was able to taste at TOTC were fantastic. Congrats!
Auguru
Out of curiosity (and with full understanding if you do not want to divulge even these tidbits), do you mind indicating the base alcohol for the Marteau? Also, when you mention the Duplais Suisse Protocol, do you mean the versions in the books or are there more detailed descriptions of the process available from other sources?
Nymphadora
Congratulations! I'm glad I was able to sample the yumminess.
speedle
Very, very fantastic! abs-cheers.gif to great success and can't wait to get some!

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P.S. - Is there a Bohemian style in the works? *ducks*


Somebody had to say it, didn't they? hysterical.gif
Alexander Dunn
Congratulations on Marteau - a fantastic absinthe - and your dedication to developing and offering this commercial product. I look forward to purchasing Marteau. Wonderful news and many thank you's!
MASTERPC
QUOTE (Nymphadora @ Jul 24 2007, 09:02 PM) *
I'm glad I was able to sample the yumminess.


Absolutely! I am very much looking forward to owning a bottle or four!
Joe Legate
As if the news of Marteau's release wasn't enough, you toss us this bone, too. I think Hiram has a project for us. thumbup.gif

QUOTE (Hiram @ Jul 24 2007, 04:09 PM) *
The Wormwood Society is quickly becoming the most active, user-friendly and accessible absinthe resource on the web. My visit to New Orleans, the most absinthe-conscious population in the country, highlighted the great need for further education and outreach if we're going to clean up absinthe's reputation. In order to achieve this, there is also a need for increased professionalism (note: professionalism ≠ commercialism) or the public has no reason to take us seriously. Instead of merely sitting at our keyboards ridiculing people for not knowing any better, those of us who give a damn need to go out and do something. More on this later.
dakini_painter
I've said it before, but I'll say it again:

Congratulations!!

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ejellest
That is very cool!

Congratulations, and good luck with this venture.
MTgrayling
Oh it just keeps getting better! Thanks for all you have done and are doing for the absinthe world Hiram. abs-cheers.gif

I can't wait to try this one.
peridot
Congrats on getting your product going.
Fixedspiral
Freakin' Sweet!

Looking forward to trying it!
Ari (Eric Litton)
Yay for more absinthe.

QUOTE (Hiram @ Jul 24 2007, 03:09 PM) *
Instead of merely sitting at our keyboards ridiculing people for not knowing any better, those of us who give a damn need to go out and do something. More on this later.

I am randomly grabbing people on the street and whipping them till they repeat the accurate information... careful what you ask for.
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Absomphe
Hearty congratulations, Hiram, looks like youse done good! abs-cheers.gif

If I'm tipplin' again by October, I'll definitely lay in a supply.
OMG_Bill
Nice! thumbup.gif
elfnmagik
Congrats!

QUOTE (Hiram @ Jul 24 2007, 06:09 PM) *
The Marteau absintheS...

Can you shed some light on plans for the others?
Jaded Prole
I look forward to tasting it.
shinsain
*takes a deep breath*

I knew if I stuck around THIS board you folks would get this done somehow. I knew there was a reason I've been here for two years...

Good luck. We'll be waiting.

Aaron

EDIT: does this mean no more threads about smoking wormwood? I'm just asking...
Wild Bill Turkey
QUOTE (Absomphe @ Jul 25 2007, 06:25 AM) *
If I'm tipplin' again by October, I'll definitely lay in a supply.

You would.

I'm going to drink mine.
hissykitties
Indeed™! Congrats.
Brian Robinson
QUOTE (shinsain @ Jul 25 2007, 10:10 AM) *
EDIT: does this mean no more threads about smoking wormwood? I'm just asking...

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Absomphe
QUOTE (Wild Bill Turkey @ Jul 25 2007, 07:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Absomphe @ Jul 25 2007, 06:25 AM) *

If I'm tipplin' again by October, I'll definitely lay in a supply.

You would.

I'm going to drink mine.


When you really Absomphesize, bathing in the stuff's no problem.

Besides, I'll bet it would make a better cologne than Hai Karate.
Le Gimp
From what I've read, you developed this Absinthe to be used in mixed drinks.

How does it do in a DITA?

Any recomendations on which Champaigne it goes with?


Congratulations and best wishes on your endevour.
SoulShade
Congratulations!
Steve Williams
Congratulations!

I don't believe in absinthe "mixed drinks" but I look forward to tasting it with water!

In light of the current controversy regarding the very "robust" green color of some current absinthes, can you make any comment on the coloration? Thanks.
OMG_Bill
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Mindshifter
Congratulations, Hiram! You have my warmest well-wishes.
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ejellest
I'm wondering about your thoughts on the economics of Absinthe in mixed drinks.

I assume that when you say it will cost about the same as the other Matter Absinthes, we're talking $60-80 US before shipping. This makes for a rather expensive bottle.

The upper end for spirits in mixed drinks tends to be around $30. I'm bad at this sort of cost analysis type stuff; but, most bars using premium spirits price their drinks around $10-15 US. We're talking about a pretty boutique market, then, where prices like that are sustainable. New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, London, etc.

However, it's true that in most well balanced cocktails where the Absinthe must co-exist with other flavors, contain not much more than a dash or two of Absinthe. So it's not that much of an issue, as long as you're talking about a bar that measures dashes.

Even traditional Absinthe Frappes or Absinthe Suissesse recipes usually only contain a pony (an ounce) of Absinthe, allowing you to price that about the same as a cocktail containing 2 oz of a spirit costing half as much. Though, modern recipes calling for Absinthe substitutes will need to be adjusted, if they are using "real" Absinthe. Another training issue.

I guess, leaving aside shipping, we're not talking about something costing too much more than some of the more expensive liqueurs, like Chartreuse (~$45 US), often used in about the same amount.

I've answered some of my own questions; but, what other challenges do you see getting your Absinthe onto the back bar and into cocktails?

~Erik
Brian Robinson
The way I see it, that's probably going to be more of a longer term game plan, which will be much easier to implement once it begins production here in the states. That alone will dramatically reduce production and shipping costs, and lead to a more financially viable (and attractive) use for absinthe in cocktails.
Gwydion Stone
Great questions. One of the bars in NOLA is charging $20 a pop for a glass of absinthe. As you mention, the best absinthe cocktails contain only a dash or splash, so I expect not much will need to change in that area, but of course there's always marketing. I'm sure many places will charge more just because it's an absinthe drink.
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How does it do in a DITA?

Any recomendations on which Champaigne it goes with?
You're asking the wrong guy. I'm not much of a champagne drinker in the first place, but I can't stand a DITA prepared according to Hemingway's instructions. I'd think just a splash in whatever you like already would be good.
Ari (Eric Litton)
When some places sell basic mixed drinks for $10, I would assume absinthe will go for a high price long after the price of a bottle drops. Along those lines once it becomes more common in the US I think many bartenders will need to learn how to show off a louche so people will be entertained with their drink (beyond, "look High alcohol burns, isn't that amazing, I've never seen that before in my life" flaming drink)
Nymphadora
Ok, I have a confession.

I tasted my first flaming absinthe at TOTC. It was served by a blonde cutie, so I wasn't about to turn it down. Ugh! I couldn't stand that burned taste. People actually like that?

Since I was raised a Southern lass, I accepted the drink with a smile and "thank you".

I was asked which I preferred and, of course, I stated the non flame water drip. Unfortunately, I do think that the flame ritual will be popular at nightclubs because 'fire is cool'.
Alan Moss
QUOTE (Nymphadora @ Jul 25 2007, 12:37 PM) *
It was served by a blonde cutie
Dan?
Wild Bill Turkey
Bartenders do love to light the stuff on fire, it's their moment in the spotlight, and they think it makes them look cool and in-the-know. Doing a proper louche is more difficult, slower, and less entertaining to a crowd, but it is still a display of skill, and I'm hoping bartenders will slowly begin to adopt it, and maybe even learn to make it look cool, because it is.
Nymphadora
Alan: Yep.
Ari (Eric Litton)
If bars didn't always have that coyote ugly mood lighting a louche is more entertaining to watch that a few seconds of flames. Someone needs to invent a mini lighting saucer that will show off the louche in a dark bar.

And this is slowly getting off topic. Ok, perhaps the famous no flame logo should be printed on the back of every bottle smile.gif (maybe with the suggestion that everclear burns just as pretty but doesn't waste a good tasting drink.)
Gwydion Stone
Fire is cool. One night in NOLA, Tom the Waiter at Arnaud's served Nymph, Lars, Robert and myself a spectaclular Café Brulot. Fire has its place in drinks, absinthe just happens not to be it.
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